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Does Fire Evaporate water AT ALL!?
Topic Started: Jan 27 2013, 10:42 AM (1,565 Views)
Hatoru
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I was fighting forgotten today and all his water jutsus from mizurappa to SYRUP were putting out my fire. i just wanted to know does water evaporate AT ALL
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Katon
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Sasuna made a new system a while ago for it, i'm not sure if Katon can win over Suiton anymore.
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You need 4 times the Katon knowledge, I think. Which is already a mammoth amount considering if the person has a respectable 300 or so knowledge, you'd already need 1200.
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The Griffin
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sounds reasonable.... Since Suiton > Katon. Be pretty messed up if katon could evaporate suiton easily.

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But suiton is so easy to gain in rainy weather. This coupled with how easil suiton tiles are made, if it doesnt delete the katon, it makes the damage close to none. This completlty eradicates katon's usage against 60% of the game who has went suiton due to its recent buff.

NO OTHER ELEMENT has that big of an advantage over the other. Raiton vs. doton would come second, but doton users still have an equal chance to win in the fight. While suiton vs. katon there is no chance whatsoever unless you have 4x katon knowledge.

I mean seriosuly now... It seems like fuuton and suiton (used to be most unused elements) were overbuffed, well fuuton is fine, just suiton overbuffed. While katon and raiton were SEVERELY overnerfed. One element has shitty damage and type match up, while raiton isnt even usable in a fight.
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Jan 27 2013, 12:50 PM
NO OTHER ELEMENT has that big of an advantage over the other.
Katon Vs Fuuton K....

if it touches Katon, the attack is consumed by flames and is void.

Fuuton Vs Raiton

Only time I see it work was with armor...and only 2 jutsus truely cancel raiton out and chidori techs> Fuuton.


now Im not complaining but yea.....atleast katon voids what it suppose to.
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It shouldn't be easy for Katon to beat Suiton since Suiton>Katon by in Naruto. And before the buff, Suiton could not be used without atleast 30 points in cap. Anything else, you better be prepared for some shitty as damage. And WHAT? Katon is the easiest element to train. Even with the new weather system, Katon beats Suiton knowledge training by a lot. Oh, god just imagined if you had someone with Chikatsu helping you. ;o
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Yes, but take into consideration suiton at 1k knowledge needing 4k katon knowledge to counter?

And at least in katon vs. Fuuton its whoever has the higher knoweldge as well. Ive started seeing fuuton fly through katon's, which indicates a weak katon knoweldge base. But it isn't 4x, its 2x.
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Raikiri Iketani
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If this really bugs you that much, get another goddamn element.
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Starkyy
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Why is everyone so quick to defend the clearly overpowered? Games need balance, and Suiton was most definitely overbuffed.
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Elements should stick to the RPS system. The weaker element shouldn't ever be able to beat the stronger element. If fighting something with your weakness hinders you that much, it's a personal ass problem. You have access to other elements, and alternative ways to fight.
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Jan 27 2013, 02:27 PM
Elements should stick to the RPS system. The weaker element shouldn't ever be able to beat the stronger element. If fighting something with your weakness hinders you that much, it's a personal ass problem. You have access to other elements, and alternative ways to fight.
And making an element completly disable someone's else element is not balance either.

Giant Water creation basically makes all your Katon useless.

Other alternatives to fight? Other elements don't need it because they don't get disabled 100% of the time by their counter part (except maybe Doton and Suiton which is still only one jutsu), where's the balance in that?
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Well the current system is a half assed RPS with alot maybe I will void you or not, well at least for fuuton vs Raiton

every other element cancels out what there suppose to if Im correct.
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They still get hurt by impact damage... people these days, don't even know how to use katon against a suiton user.
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That 4x Knowledge thing is BULLSHIT. I should know. I have about 11k Katon Knowledge and I can still be out done by a mizurappa. As I said, Katon needs a BUFF. They don't get anything like the other elements. The only reason i'm just pointing this out is because I never really was a Katon user but now I see the HUGE disadvantage pure Katon users have.

You have a equal chance of killing yourself, with your own flames. You don't get no type of resistance to your OWN flames, that YOU generate YOUR chakra into. If people have the ability to **** up handseals, or bend someones mind with genjutsu, why couldn't they manipulate their own chakra to do less damage to themselves?

The damage was nerfed like crazy. I have Magma, 24/20 Mastery, 62% Cap (125% with CS on) and I hit probably 125-130 a tick on stamina... Vitality damage is lower. People literally have taken 3 fireballs to the face, and danced around in it. Ask Godon.

Every other element has their defenses, BUT Katon.

Suiton = Syrup, Wall, Hydro Mode.

Raiton = Armor, Stuns, Screws, Raikage Armor.

Doton = Armor, Movestopper, Swamp, Mole.

Fuuton = Wind Trick, Spinning Wind.

Katon = Nothing, Zilch, Nada.

Just saying. I'm not being biased either, but there has to be some kind of balance.

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